From Flat Stitching to Real 3D: Embroidered Trapunto in a Large Hoop (Plus Celtic Lace Weaving That Actually Lays Flat)

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If you’ve ever finished a beautiful embroidery design… and then wished it had real dimension (not just dense satin stitching), embroidered trapunto is the technique that delivers that “puffy relief” look without requiring specialized software or complicated tools.

In this classic Martha Pullen segment, the project is a large purple camel stitched in a big embroidery hoop, then transformed into trapunto by adding high-loft batting, outlining with free-motion stitching, trimming tight, and finally stitching again through a full quilt sandwich so the center pops.

Then the episode pivots to heirloom sewing: Celtic lace shaping (lace weaving) on a doll dress—drawing a diamond grid, weaving lace over-under, mitering corners with pins, and zigzagging the lace down while jumping intersections so the weave reads clearly.

As a teacher, I see many beginners try this and quit because their batting shifts or their lace looks crooked. Below is the same workflow rebuilt into a studio-ready process—with sensory checkpoints, safety margins, and the “don’t learn this the hard way” pitfalls I’ve seen for 20 years.

Don’t Panic in the Big Hoop: Why Embroidered Trapunto Looks “Wrong” Until the Last Stitch

Embroidery trapunto has an awkward middle stage—I call it the "Ugly Phase"—where everything looks slightly messy: temporary outline stitches show, the batting looks bulky, and the back looks like a snowstorm.

This is normal. In fact, if it looks too perfect right now, you might not be pushing the fabric enough.

The trapunto effect doesn’t fully reveal itself until two critical things happen: (1) you trim the high-loft batting extremely close (scary close), and (2) you do the permanent outline stitch through all layers. In other words: if you judge it too early, you’ll over-correct and often ruin the puff.

A quick sanity check before you touch anything: the video’s camel is an exceptionally large design in a large embroidery hoop (likely 6x10 or larger), stitched first with stabilizer behind the fabric. If your design is tiny (under 4 inches), you can still do trapunto—but your trimming tolerance becomes much tighter, requiring curved embroidery scissors or "duckbill" applique scissors to avoid snipping the thread.

The “Hidden” Prep Pros Do First: Fabric, Stabilizer, Batting, and a Hooping Reality Check

The video shows a straightforward setup—cotton fabric in the hoop with stabilizer, then high-loft batting added later. That’s the core mechanics. But the part most people skip is preparing for control.

What the video uses (and why it matters)

  • Cotton fabric (purple): It’s stable, predictable, and doesn't stretch. Newbie Tip: Don't start with knits or satin; they slide too much for your first trapunto attempt.
  • Stabilizer behind fabric during embroidery: This keeps the initial stitchout clean. For a density like this, a medium-weight cutaway is safer than tearaway, as it supports the outline stitches we will add later.
  • High-loft batting added after embroidery: This creates the 3D lift.
  • Low-loft batting later in the wall hanging sandwich: Adds overall body without fighting the trapunto puff.

The hooping reality check (this is where most distortion starts)

Large designs amplify hooping errors. If the fabric is stretched unevenly ("drum tight" vs "distorted"), the embroidery outline becomes a “map” that no longer matches the fabric’s relaxed state once un-hooped. When you try to add the outline later, your needle will land in the wrong place.

Sensory Anchor: When hooping, tap the fabric. It should sound like a dull thud, not a high-pitched ping (too tight) and not a flabby rustle (too loose).

If you’re doing a lot of large-hoop work, it’s worth thinking in terms of repeatable workflows. Many shops move to a station-based approach using machine embroidery hooping station setups because consistency matters more than speed at first. Being able to hoop the same way twice is the secret to matching blocks later.

Prep Checklist (end this section with everything ready)

  • Fabric embroidered successfully in the hoop with stabilizer (cutaway recommended for stability).
  • High-loft batting on hand (polyester usually has more "spring" than cotton).
  • Low-loft batting on hand (for the wall hanging sandwich).
  • Hidden Consumable: Spray adhesive (optional but helpful for holding batting).
  • Water-erasable pen and ruler ready (for the lace segment later).
  • Glass head pins ready (plastic heads might melt if you iron near them!).
  • Scissors reserved for batting trimming (double-curved or duckbill preferred).

Stitch the Built-In Embroidery Design in the Large Hoop (Purple Camel) Without Setting Yourself Up for Warping

The first step in the video is simple: hoop fabric with stabilizer and stitch the built-in camel design.

Speed Tip: While modern machines can run at 1000 stitches per minute (SPM), for a large dense design like this, I recommend slowing down to 600-700 SPM. This reduces friction and the chance of thread breakage, ensuring your outline is crisp.

Checkpoint: When the embroidery finishes, the outline should look smooth and continuous, especially around tight curves. Run your finger over the satin stitches—they should feel firm but not bulletproof-hard.

Expected outcome: A clean, finished purple camel embroidery still in the hoop.

One detail from the episode that’s easy to miss but very useful: the machine’s mirror image function is used to flip the camel so it can face left or right. That’s not just cute—it’s practical when you’re planning a layout for a wall hanging or matching mirrored blocks.

Add High-Loft Batting Behind the Embroidery (After Removing Stabilizer) So the Puff Forms Where You Want It

After the embroidery is complete, the video removes the stabilizer and places high-loft batting underneath the embroidered fabric, securing it with large quilt pins or hand basting.

This is the first “physics” moment: high-loft batting is slippery and wants to shift, while the fabric wants to relax. Your job is to keep the batting aligned without distorting the embroidered top.

What the video does:

  • Remove excess stabilizer (leave it around the stitches for support).
  • Place high-loft batting behind the embroidered fabric (wrong side).
  • Pin (large quilt pins) or hand baste.

Sensory Check: Flip the hoop/fabric over. Is the batting lumpy? Smooth it out from the center toward the edges. It should feel uniform in thickness.

Expected outcome: The piece looks thicker, but the embroidery on the front should still lie reasonably flat.

Warning: Needle Safety Hazard. When working with high-loft batting, your presser foot clearance is reduced. Keep your fingers well away from the needle path during the next free-motion step—thick sandwiches can cause needles to deflect and break, potentially sending shards flying. Eye protection (or regular glasses) is a smart idea here.

The Free-Motion Outline That Makes Trapunto Work: Darning Foot + Dropped Feed Dogs + Wash-Away Thread

This is the technical heart of the trapunto method shown, and it's where most beginners feel anxiety. You are taking control away from the computer and driving manually.

Machine setup from the video:

  • Install darning/free motion embroidery foot (open toe is best for visibility).
  • Drop/lower feed dogs (This is non-negotiable; if you don't, the machine fights your hands).
  • Select straight stitch.
  • Thread the top with wash-away thread (the demo uses visible thread so you can see it).
  • Use regular thread in the bobbin.

Then you stitch carefully just inside the edge of the embroidery outline.

Why “just inside the edge” matters

  • Stitch too far inside: You shrink the puff area, and the design looks smaller than intended.
  • Stitch outside the edge: You catch background fabric in the puff zone, creating ugly lumps ("trapped space").

Sensory feedback: how to know you’re doing it right

Even without changing any settings, your machine will “tell” you a lot through sound and touch:

  • Audio: A rhythmic "thump-thump" is normal as the needle penetrates the batting. A sharp "clack" means you are hitting the hoop or a pin—stop immediately.
  • Tactile: If the fabric feels like it’s "dragging" hard against the needle plate, you aren't moving your hands smoothly, or the batting is bunching underneath. You should feel a resistance similar to sliding a mouse on a mousepad—controlled, but smooth.

Checkpoint: The outline stitch should be continuous around the design. It doesn't have to be laser-perfect, but it must be enclosed.

Expected outcome: You’ll start to see a slight puffiness developing already.

A practical workflow note: if you’re doing repeated trapunto blocks (like for a quilt), consistent hooping becomes the bottleneck. This is why many production-minded embroiderers search for hooping stations—not because you can’t hoop without them, but because repeatability reduces the "rework rate" when you have to match 20 blocks perfectly.

Setup Checklist (end this section with the machine ready)

  • Darning/free-motion foot installed securely.
  • Feed dogs lowered (verify by feeling the metal teeth sink below the plate).
  • Straight stitch selected (Stitch length 0 or handled manually).
  • Wash-away thread on top (or visible thread for practice).
  • Bobbin threaded with regular thread.
  • Work supported on a table so the weight of the hoop isn’t pulling against the needle area.

Trim the Batting “Extremely Close” to the Stitch Line—This Is Where Clean Trapunto Is Won or Lost

The video flips the work to the back and trims away the high-loft batting extremely close to the outline stitching, leaving batting only behind the camel.

This trimming step is not cosmetic—it’s structural.

The Physics of the Trim

  • Trim too far away: You leave a "halo" or step-down of batting beyond the outline. When you do the permanent stitch later, that halo creates an ugly ridge or shadow around the design.
  • Trim too close (or nick stitches): You cut the outline thread. Since we are using wash-away thread, this isn't a disaster, but if you cut the batting inside the line, the puff will collapse at the edge.

Tool Tip: Use Duckbill Scissors. The paddle-shaped blade holds the batting down while the sharp blade cuts, preventing you from snagging the fabric underneath.

Checkpoint: The batting edge should follow the stitched outline smoothly, with less than 1/16th of an inch excess.

Expected outcome: High-loft batting remains only behind the design shape (the camel).

Lock the Puff Permanently: Straight Stitch the Outline Again Through Top + Batting + Backing

The episode makes a key distinction:

  • The first outline (Stage 1) is temporary (wash-away thread) to hold batting in place while trimming.
  • The second outline (Stage 2) is permanent, stitched through the full layered project.

For the wall hanging stage, the video layers:

  1. Embroidered top (with the trapunto batting trimmed on back).
  2. Low-loft batting (the full sheet).
  3. Backing fabric.

Then it straight-stitches along the original outline again using permanent thread (monofilament/invisible thread is often used here).

Why invisible thread is “forgiving”

As stated in the video, free-motion stitching is hard to get perfect. If you miss a stitch or it jumps out slightly, transparent thread disappears into the fabric texture, hiding your mistakes.

Checkpoint: The outline stitch should compress the background down flat while leaving the center (the camel) raised.

Expected outcome: The camel puffs up dramatically—the "Trapunto Pop"—as the perimeter is sewn down hard.

Commercial Insight: If you’re building products to sell, this sandwiching step is where standard plastic hoops fail. Thick layers (Top + High Loft + Low Loft + Backing) are incredibly hard to screw tight, and forcing them causes "hoop burn" (permanent creases). This is a classic "pain point" where upgrading to magnetic embroidery hoops becomes a game-changer. Magnets self-adjust to the thickness of the stack, clamping securely without the wrist-strain of tightening screws or the risk of crushing delicate fabric fibers.

Assemble the Wall Hanging Borders Without Fighting the Seam Allowance (Use the Video’s 1/2")

The wall hanging assembly in the episode is intentionally “fast and easy,” and one choice is very beginner-friendly: a 1/2 inch seam allowance for attaching border strips.

Most quilters use 1/4 inch. The video explicitly notes that 1/4 inch can feel too scant here, especially with thicker batting layers or when you want more handling room.

What the video does:

  • Stitch printed fabric strips to the sides using 0.5 inch seam allowance.
  • Press seams open (or to the side, depending on bulk).
  • Layer backing fabric, low-loft batting, and the embroidered top.

Checkpoint: Borders lie flat and square; the block doesn’t twist.

Expected outcome: A neat “quilt sandwich” ready for permanent outline stitching and binding.

Finish the Binding Two Ways: Straight Stitch in the Ditch or Blanket Binding Stitch for Extra Security

The episode shows a practical binding approach:

  • Cut a strip.
  • Press under.
  • Straight stitch it on.
  • Pull it around to the back and pin.

Then you have two options for the final secure stitch:

  1. Stitch “in the ditch”: The needle goes right into the seam line of the binding. It's invisible but tricky—if you slip, it shows.
  2. Blanket Binding Stitch: The video chooses this for extra security, especially for children’s items. It decoratively grabs the edge of the binding.

Checkpoint: Binding corners stay crisp; stitches catch the binding fabric consistently on the back.

Expected outcome: A durable edge that looks decorative and holds up to handling.

Fix Two Common “Why Does Mine Look Bad?” Problems (Both Mentioned in the Episode)

The video’s troubleshooting points are short but important. Here is the expanded "Why" behind them.

Problem 1: “My seam allowance feels impossible to manage and my layers are shifting.”

  • Symptom: You can’t keep layers aligned; edges feel unstable under the foot.
  • Likely cause: You are trying to use a 1/4" allowance on a thick sandwich.
Fix
Switch to a 1/2" seam allowance. The extra width gives the feed dogs more fabric to grip, improving traction.

Problem 2: “My basting/temporary stitches are visible after the project is done.”

  • Symptom: You see a ghost line of thread next to your permanent stitching.
  • Likely cause: You didn't use wash-away thread, or you didn't dissolve it fully.
Fix
Use wash-away thread for the first pass. Once finished, lightly spray specifically on those lines with a water bottle or a Q-tip soaked in water. It dissolves instantly.

Celtic Lace Shaping on a Bodice: Draw the Diamond Grid with a Water-Erasable Pen (Don’t Skip the Miter Marks)

Now we switch techniques. The episode demonstrates lace weaving (Celtic lace shaping) on a doll dress bodice. This relies on precision, not puff.

What the video does first:

  • Use a blue water-erasable pen (or air-erasable purple pen if you are fast) to draw a diamond grid.
  • Mark miter points at the top and bottom of each diamond intersection.
    Pro tip
    Those miter marks are not decoration—they are your “GPS” for consistent corners. Without them, your diamonds will look like squashed squares.

Checkpoint: Grid lines are clear and evenly spaced. Check that the ink doesn't bleed on your specific fabric before committing.

Expected outcome: A mapped layout that lets lace sit centered on the lines.

Miter Lace Corners with Glass Head Pins: Outside Pin, Inside Pin, Fold Back, Then Re-Pin Through Two Layers

The mitering method in the video is very specific and creates sharp points.

Step-by-Step:

  1. Place a pin on the outside corner of the turn.
  2. Place a pin on the inside corner.
  3. Fold the lace back on itself to form the angle, pivoting against the pins.
  4. Remove the inside pin (it's in the way now).
  5. Secure the fold by pinning through both layers of lace and the fabric.

The host also notes a small but powerful control trick: lay pins flat to help control the lace. Using glass head pins allows you to iron right over them without melting plastic into your lace—a disaster you only make once.

Checkpoint: The corner forms a sharp, clean angle (45 degrees typically).

Expected outcome: A repeatable miter that doesn’t “round off” when stitched.

Stitch the Lace Weaving with Zigzag—And Use the “Jump” Trick at Under-Intersections

The stitching method is intentionally accessible, using a standard machine.

What the video uses:

  • A simple zigzag stitch (width adjusted to catch both edges of the narrow lace).
  • Thread that matches the lace color perfectly.

The Key Trick (The Weave Illusion):

  • When the lace goes OVER: Keep stitching continuously.
  • When the lace goes UNDER at an intersection: Stop stitching, lift the needle/foot, jump over the intersection, and resume stitching on the other side.

Why? If you zigzag straight across every intersection, you tack down the top lace flat, destroying the illusion of weaving. The lace can look like a grid taped down rather than a Celtic knot.

Checkpoint: Zigzag stitches secure lace edges without crossing the “under” sections.

Expected outcome: A clear woven look with clean intersections.

Warning: Magnetic Hoop Safety. If you upgrade to magnetic frames for faster loading of these flat lace projects, treat them like serious industrial tools, not fridge magnets. They have immense pinching force. Keep them away from pacemakers/medical implants (maintain a 6-inch safety distance), keep fingers clear when closing (pinch hazard), and store them with spacers so they can’t snap together unexpectedly.

The Clean “Peekaboo” Finish: Trim Fabric Away from Behind After Zigzagging the Lace

After stitching, the episode trims away the fabric from behind to create the open, peekaboo lace effect.

This is a finishing step that rewards patience. Use small, sharp scissors (again, duckbill or embroidery snips). Separate the fabric from the lace with your fingers to ensure you don't snip the lace itself.

Checkpoint: The lace remains fully secured before you cut.

Expected outcome: Open areas behind the lace that emphasize the diamond pattern, revealing the doll's skin or an under-slip.

Decision Tree: Choosing Stabilizer + Batting Strategy for Trapunto vs Lace Weaving

Use this quick decision tree to avoid the most common mismatch—using the wrong support for the technique.

  • Scenario A: You are doing Embroidered Trapunto (Puffy Motif)
    • Goal: Maximum 3D Puff.
    • Stabilizer: Medium Cutaway (stays in).
    • Batting: High-Loft Polyester (behind motif) + Low-Loft (in sandwich).
    • Action: Trim the high-loft batting tight.
  • Scenario B: You are doing Celtic Lace Weaving (Openwork)
    • Goal: Open, airy latticework.
    • Stabilizer: Water-Soluble (wash away later) OR finish on fabric and trim back.
    • Batting: NONE (Batting would ruin the transparency).
    • Action: Trim the fabric away from behind the lace.

The Upgrade Path That Actually Makes Sense: When Tools Save Time (and When They Don’t)

I’m careful about tool talk because trapunto and lace weaving are both technique-driven—no gadget replaces skill. But once you repeat these processes, certain upgrades become logical solutions to physical pain points.

When hooping becomes your bottleneck

If you’re repeatedly loading large pieces, aligning designs, or doing multiple blocks for quilts/wall hangings, the time sink is often the "load, tighten, re-tighten, adjust" cycle. That’s when exploring hooping for embroidery machine optimization becomes less about "can I do it?" and more about "can I do it consistently without distortion?"

A practical upgrade ladder (Scenario-Triggered)

  1. The Pain: Hoop burn marks on delicate fabric or "pop-outs" with thick batting sandwiches.
    • The Solution: Magnetic Hoops. They distribute pressure evenly and snap onto thick layers (like our trapunto sandwich) without forcing a screw to turn.
  2. The Pain: Wrist pain from repetitive tightening of hoop screws on batch runs.
    • The Solution: Magnetic systems significantly reduce repetitive strain injuries (RSI) for production embroiderers.
  3. The Pain: "I can't get the logo straight on 50 shirts."
  4. The Pain: Single-needle color changes are killing your profit margin.
    • The Solution: Move to a multi-needle machine (like SEWTECH's commercial line) to automate color swaps and increase throughput.

Operation Checklist (so you can run this like a repeatable process)

Trapunto Phase

  • Embroidery stitched cleanly in the hoop; mirror image checked.
  • Stabilizer removed (tearaway) or trimmed (cutaway) before adding batting.
  • High-loft batting pinned/basted securely; no severe lumps.
  • Free-motion outline stitched just inside the embroidery edge (Feed Dogs LOWERED!).
  • Batting trimmed extremely close (1/16") to outline without cutting stitches.
  • Quilt sandwich layered (Top + Low-Loft Batting + Backing).
  • Permanent outline stitched through all layers (invisible thread optional).

Lace Weaving Phase

  • Lace grid drawn with water-erasable pen; miter points marked.
  • Lace corners mitered using the "Outside Hook, Inside Fold" pin method.
  • Zigzag stitch width tested on scrap lace first.
  • Intersections handled correctly: "Jump" the stitch when lace goes UNDER.
  • Fabric trimmed away from behind lace after stitching is secure.

FAQ

  • Q: How can a home sewing machine free-motion setup (darning/free-motion foot + feed dogs lowered + straight stitch) prevent trapunto outline distortion when stitching just inside an embroidery outline?
    A: Lower the feed dogs, use a darning/free-motion foot, and guide the fabric smoothly so the outline stays just inside the original embroidery edge.
    • Install: Attach an open-toe darning/free-motion foot for visibility.
    • Set: Lower/drop the feed dogs (do not skip this) and select straight stitch.
    • Stitch: Drive the line just inside the embroidery edge to avoid shrinking the puff area or trapping background fabric.
    • Success check: Movement feels smooth (like sliding a mouse on a mousepad) and the outline forms a continuous closed shape without “dragging.”
    • If it still fails: Re-check that the feed dogs are truly lowered and that the project weight is supported on the table, not pulling at the needle area.
  • Q: What is the best stabilizer choice for embroidered trapunto when the project requires a second permanent outline stitch later through multiple layers?
    A: Use a medium-weight cutaway stabilizer as a safer starting point for trapunto because it keeps supporting the stitches when the later outline is added.
    • Choose: Prefer medium cutaway over tearaway for better ongoing support during later stitching.
    • Trim: After embroidery, trim stabilizer neatly but avoid removing support right at the stitch line.
    • Plan: Keep the piece stable for the “Stage 2” permanent outline through the full sandwich.
    • Success check: The finished embroidery outline looks smooth and continuous, especially on tight curves, and the fabric is not rippling once unhooped.
    • If it still fails: Generally, re-evaluate hooping tension and fabric distortion first, because large designs amplify hooping errors.
  • Q: How do I stop high-loft batting from shifting during embroidered trapunto when adding batting behind the embroidered fabric after the initial stitchout?
    A: Secure the high-loft batting so it stays aligned without distorting the embroidered top—pin or hand baste, and smooth from the center outward.
    • Leave: Remove only excess stabilizer; keep support around the embroidery where needed.
    • Place: Position high-loft batting on the wrong side and hold it with large quilt pins or hand basting (spray adhesive may help).
    • Smooth: Press and flatten lumps from the center toward edges before outlining.
    • Success check: The back feels uniformly thick (no major lumps) and the front embroidery still lies reasonably flat.
    • If it still fails: Reduce shifting by re-smoothing and re-pinning before any free-motion outlining—once you stitch the outline, the batting position is “locked in.”
  • Q: How close should duckbill scissors trim high-loft batting for embroidered trapunto to avoid a halo ridge but not collapse the puff at the edge?
    A: Trim the high-loft batting extremely close to the outline—aim for under 1/16 inch of excess—without nicking the stitched line.
    • Flip: Turn to the back and follow the stitched outline as your cutting boundary.
    • Cut: Use duckbill (appliqué) scissors so the paddle blade protects the fabric while trimming batting tight.
    • Control: Trim smoothly around curves; do not cut inside the stitched outline.
    • Success check: The batting edge tracks the outline cleanly with no visible “halo” beyond the line.
    • If it still fails: If the edge looks stepped or ridged later, the trim was generally too wide; if the puff collapses at the perimeter, the trim may have gone inside the line or the stitching was nicked.
  • Q: What needle safety precautions reduce needle deflection and breakage when free-motion outlining trapunto through thick high-loft batting on a home sewing machine?
    A: Treat thick trapunto layers as a needle-break risk—keep fingers clear of the needle path and stop immediately if you hit a pin or hear a sharp “clack.”
    • Clear: Keep hands well away from the needle travel area because thick loft can deflect needles.
    • Listen: Stop instantly if you hear a sharp “clack” (often hoop/pin contact), not the normal rhythmic “thump-thump.”
    • Protect: Consider eye protection (regular glasses can help) when working with thick sandwiches.
    • Success check: Stitching sound stays rhythmic and consistent with no sudden impacts, and the fabric feeds by hand without sudden snags.
    • If it still fails: Re-position pins away from the stitch path and ensure the work is supported so the machine is not fighting the project weight.
  • Q: What magnetic embroidery hoop safety rules should be followed when using magnetic frames for flat lace weaving projects like Celtic lace shaping?
    A: Handle magnetic embroidery frames like industrial tools—avoid pinch injuries, keep distance from pacemakers/medical implants, and store frames so they cannot snap together.
    • Keep away: Maintain a 6-inch safety distance from pacemakers/medical implants.
    • Prevent pinches: Keep fingers out of the closing zone when bringing magnets together.
    • Store safely: Use spacers so frames cannot snap together unexpectedly during storage.
    • Success check: The frame closes under control (no sudden snap) and fingers never enter the clamp path.
    • If it still fails: Slow down the closing motion and reset alignment—forcing magnets increases pinch risk and can misalign fabric placement.
  • Q: How can embroidered trapunto production bottlenecks (hoop burn on thick quilt sandwiches, wrist pain from tightening screws, and repeatable alignment) be solved with a level-based upgrade path?
    A: Start with technique consistency, then upgrade clamping and workflow tools only when a specific pain point repeats.
    • Level 1 (technique): Slow down dense large designs (about 600–700 SPM is a safe starting point) and hoop evenly using a sensory check (dull thud, not high-pitched ping).
    • Level 2 (tool): Switch to magnetic embroidery hoops when thick layers cause hoop burn, pop-outs, or excessive screw-tightening strain.
    • Level 2 (workflow): Use a hooping station when repeatable placement across many blocks/shirts is the real failure point, not stitching.
    • Level 3 (capacity): Move to a multi-needle machine when single-needle color changes become the limiting factor for throughput.
    • Success check: Large-hoop blocks match each other without rework, and thick sandwiches clamp securely without permanent creases.
    • If it still fails: Identify whether the issue is distortion from inconsistent hooping versus clamping limits from thickness—fix the root cause before upgrading again.